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Monday, August 11, 2008

Taxes up everywhere except in Morrisville

From the BCCT this morning: Marlys Mihok, secretary of the Morrisville school board, stop the school member, and taxpayer advocate trumpeting the budgetary successes of the Emperor and the board of chosen accomplices.

There's two problems with this. The first is that a fresh set of eyes can find things to cut from any budget. It's the second year when things get harder to cut. Among the things that can still be cut are the sports programs, the band and chorus programs, any other extra curricular activities, and utilities. We can choose to fire half the teachers and staff, make the classroom size up to 45 students, and have Ferris Bueller's economics teacher providing the education. It's not the fact that cuts were made, it's where the cuts came from and what will be defunded. What is your focus?

When the state is investigating why we ran out of money early in 2009, we can point to this op-ed piece as one piece of the puzzle. "None of next year’s projections factored the amount of students graduating out of these programs and therefore, in my opinion we have grossly over budgeted in these areas." Of course not! Just in inflation alone, the costs have risen significantly. Still buying the same gallon of milk each week costs much more than it used to. It's the same with special ed, copier paper, and number 2 pencils. Only time will tell if "grossly over budgeted" is right or not. It's standard practice to budget conservatively using at least the same number as last year unless there is significant evidence to not do so. Paging the Auditor General: Your reservations are ready.

The second item is defeasement. The centerpiece of their election campaign is never even mentioned. That's where the cut in taxes really came from.

Instead of making the investments in a new building, we're plunging ahead recklessly without a plan and without receiving state reimbursement making piecemeal emergency renovations among two or three existing buildings. Add back in the millage from not investing in the future and what's the real savings? Every dollar spent today in any repairs, major or minor, "emergency" or routine, is wasted money in the sense that the repair is only temporary. It's a band-aid on failing infrastructure that will need complete replacement sooner than you realize.

Does anyone want to examine this article further and point out the fallacies?

It's not a windfall when you purposefully choose to ignore the needs of the future.

UPDATE 6:30 PM. Scroll down to the bottom of the post.


Taxes up everywhere except in Morrisville

As sure as fireworks on the fourth, Bucks County homeowners have received their school tax bills for the 2008-2009 school year. Every school board in the county has raised taxes for the next year, some significantly, with the exception of tiny Morrisville Borough. In fact, Morrisville School District taxes have plummeted. Let’s examine the phenomenon.

At the first regular meeting of the new school board, Business Administrator Reba Dunford presented the new board with a preliminary budget including a 21-mil increase equaling approximately $425 to the average assessed household of $20,000. State law allowed a 4.4 percent increase without going to referendum by the voters to increase that percentage. This budget was presented to the board as a bare bones, no frills estimate of expenditures for the next school year, on the heels of two consecutive years of outrageous tax increases.

Since that December meeting until June 25 when the final budget was approved, the majority members of the Morrisville School Board dropped the proposed 21-mil increase to zero and further reduced the budget by another 18.7 mils for a total reduction of 39.7 mils.

The administration has acknowledged that we did not disrupt any educational programs with the cuts; however, we are being unfairly criticized for not fully funding the increases requested for special education, charter schools, and alternative schools, although the business administrator is satisfied with the increase the board has provided. None of next year’s projections factored the amount of students graduating out of these programs and therefore, in my opinion we have grossly over budgeted in these areas.

After six months of diligent number crunching with the projected $21 million budget, board President Bill Hellmann found “extra expenditures” that we could eliminate without affecting educational programs in the district. Reducing 39.7 mils in my opinion cut deeply into a bloated budget. The school board did its fiduciary duty but has been relentlessly criticized by a vocal minority for not raising taxes.

Adding the first year of Homestead Rebate from gambling revenue is an additional $241 decrease as the proverbial cherry on top; $600 less is about what the average assessed homeowners have saved in Morrisville school taxes. [Moderator note: The BCCT claims a $218 Act I credit for a $539 decrease. To put it into perspective, that's $1.47 a day. A large coffee at 7-Eleven costs more. We're selling the future of the town for the price of a large coffee. ]

To unify the borough I have a proposal. Parents who are not happy with the extra money and are experiencing guilt about keeping their windfall can purge themselves of that money by donating it to the Morrisville Education Foundation, which will provide our district with additional educational tools not funded by the taxpayers. I suggest that the residents who are not satisfied with the new school board tax reductions donate it back to the district. Donations in the amount of your reduction may be sent to the Morrisville Education Foundation, 550 Palmer St., Morrisville, Pa. 19067. Tax deductions for donations will be less guilt ridden than the actual money itself.

Let’s get this foundation off to a wonderful start. Thank you in advance for your participation in funding the Morrisville Education Foundation.

MARLYS MIHOK
Resident of Morrisville for 25 years and member of the Morrisville School Board

UPDATE 6:30 PM

Great comment posted for this story at the BCCT website.

No Bob, the teachers union isn't the "vocal minority", it's citizens who have been critical of the methods used by the school board. I'll give you a few examples, which Mihok didn't mention in her article, because they don't make her or her compadres of the board members look too good:

1. The lion's share of the tax reduction is a "one shot deal" from the board "defeasing" (giving back to bondholders) $20+ million in bond money set aside for construction of a new, space-efficient K-12 campus. Defeasement reduced taxes this year only, but cost taxpayers about $2.5 million, a fact that was NOT shared with the public before the board voted on it;

2. The board is plowing ahead with replacing boilers based on a cursory $2,500 walk-through by an engineering company unilaterally hired by board president Bill Hellmann, whom Mihok staunchly supports. The board had to vote "after-the-fact" to authorize the work and pay the company because the work was already completed. The bidding for the boiler work did NOT follow procedures that would have resulted in reimbursement by the PA Dept. of Ed., so it will cost taxpayers additional money that could easily have been saved;

3. To date, I believe Mihok has kept the $250 stipend she receives as board secretary (something other board members almost always donate back to the district), yet she was unable to produce timely meeting minutes (one of her main responsibilities as secretary), resulting in the board hiring someone to take notes and write minutes;

4. Mihok was caught in a lie claiming that Superintendent Dr. Beth Yonson hadn’t notified the board about a deadline to pass a resolution capping the district’s budget increase to 4.4% when in fact she had informed the board – it was all caught on tape with reporters present. Those who are familiar with her know that that's just one instance in which she was CAUGHT lying;

It's simply assinine for Mihok to state that the criticism is for NOT raising taxes. Nobody wants their taxes to go up. But people do want school boards to make prudent decisions that balance both educational and financial concerns, not boards that make irresponsible decisions for short-term gain and long-term pain. We've got the latter in Morrisville right now.

27 comments:

Peter said...

"...the business administrator is satisfied with the increase the board has provided."

I think satisfied is a strong word in this context. I saw no satisfaction whatsoever at those meetings. I saw frustration and defeat, not satisfaction.

Let's see how smug and self-righteous Ms. Mihok is when reality hits.

Ken said...

Myhock wrongly characterizes the "relentless criticism by the vocal minority" as being directed at the tax cuts. This is imperial evidence that she (and others) are not listening to the "vocal minority" (whatever that is).

This blog, public comments at the microphone and editorial letters are predominantly concerned with tax (and program) cuts WITHOUT PLANNING.

Or, maybe there is some plan that Myhock knows about, but this is a red light to the other major criticism that this so-called vocal minority has, SECRECY, not communicating with the public, not sharing with the entire board, holding closed door meetings.

Listen Marlyss, no one is critical of tax cuts, if they represent fair reductions in expenditures that consider all educational needs, program funding, and capital projects withing a framework of long and short range planning.

Ken said...

Oops, "imperial evidence" should have been "empirical evidence"

Now, I need to go have my first cup of coffee of the day.

Anonymous said...

How much money has she donated to the cause?

Anonymous said...

And when the money is collected, what is the PLAN??????

Save The School said...

For what it's worth, agree with her or not, the time that she puts in as a school board member needs to count as a "donation." The same goes for the other eight. I understand that the Emperor made a public pledge of a monetary donation the night the foundation planning group was formed. Even if that public donation was purely political or truly heartfelt, it was not necessary, but gratefully appreciated and accepted.

See...even I can say something nice about the Emperor.

Ken said...

Question about the foundation:

Who decides how the money is spent? Should it be the school board, the administration or an independent authority? Who appoints the BOD for the Foundation?

And if it is not the School Board who decides, they still get veto power in that they must approve (or disapprove) the donation to the district.

For example, if someone donated a large amount of money to the district for the establishment of an abstinence-only sex education course, the board, supposedly, would have to vote on acceptance of this donation and the subsequent course.

Just curious as to how this will be handled, and where the oversight is.

Anonymous said...

Dear Oprah, Bill Gates, Bono,Jolie-Pitt & Philip Morris;

I am writing to you since you are all very active in social issues to donate to the Morrisville Education Fund. I live in a town where the majority of residents do not want to pay a penny for public education. If it were up to the current board of education the district would be shut down today, but since that is highly illegal it will be a much slower death.

If any of you can find it in your hearts & pocketbooks to help a sinking public school district we desperately need your help.

PS: We can also really use a green K-12 School & of course we would name it after any or all of you.

Sincerely,

A Small Vocal Minority

Anonymous said...

Is it legal to decrease public school taxes just to then fundraise with private funds?

Is the foundation going to hold bakesales?

If all of the parents paid 600.00 to the foundation is that a tution?

Is the townspeople of Morrisville as stupid as Ms. Mihok thinks they are?

Anonymous said...

Does " additional educational tools" include special education costs? Does it include paying legal fees when the rights of children are violated? Will it be enough to fix the building situation in such a way that we can make a meaningful dent in the cost of operating outdated buildings?

Most 501c3's have a specific, targeted mission. Like grants awarded to the district, funding applies to programs appropriate to that mission. I highly doubt that includes paying for general operating costs, legal fees or budget deficits that occur as a result of board neglect.

Ms. Mihok attempts to cloak her snide political posturing in an appeal for unity. Until we can be assured that the rights of each our children to a free and appropriate public education, until we can be assured that the priority of our elected board is the education and safety of our children, unity is not the priority.

Anonymous said...

I'm confused. She's proud to say she and her friends underfund special education and stopped the building of a new school? This is the best you can do for a school board? Thank God I don't live in Morrisville.

Peter said...

"Most 501c3's have a specific, targeted mission. Like grants awarded to the district, funding applies to programs appropriate to that mission. I highly doubt that includes paying for general operating costs, legal fees or budget deficits that occur as a result of board neglect."

This came up at a board meeting (June?) when the 501c3 was last discussed, and it was made clear that it is illegal to try and fund general operating costs with it although Mr. Cosuelo (I'm probably misspelling his name), who is apparently chair of this organization, seemed to argue otherwise. I suspect that this group will not get much support until its mission is made clear.

Save The School said...

Jon has left a new comment on your post "Taxes up everywhere except in Morrisville":

From the board minutes (the ones that Marlys was actually able to produce, after someone was hired at taxpayer expense to help her out), the guy's name is Mark Coassolo.

He's really keen on this 501(c)(3). At a recent board meeting, he read a long-winded "mission statement" that he wrote for it - interrupted by Marlys herself being wheeled into the meeting. Doesn't seem like he's gonna be happy unless he's running/controlling it [the 501(c)(3), that is]. Seems to think 501(c)(3) monies can replace taxpayer dollars for a variety of things. Seems to be friends with Marlys, and a strong supporter of her and the Bill Hellmann school board bloc. That makes me suspect that he's wrong about what 501(c)(3) monies can really be used for. But I believe it was the great Al Bundy who once said in the episode in which he competes in the Senior Olympics, "It's only cheating if you get caught". Time will tell.

Jon said...

City girls just seem to find out early
How to open doors with just a smile
A rich old man
And she won't have to worry
She'll dress up all in lace and go in style

Late at night a big old house gets lonely
I guess ev'ry form of refuge has its price
And it breaks her heart to think her love is
Only given to a man with hands as cold as ice

So she tells him she must go out for the evening
To comfort an old friend who's feelin' down
But he knows where she's goin' as she's leavin'
She is headed for the cheatin' side of town

You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin eyes

On the other side of town a boy is waiting
with fiery eyes and dreams no one could steal
She drives on through the night anticipating
'Cause he makes her feel the way she used to feel

She rushes to his arms,
They fall together
She whispers that it's only for awhile
She swears that soon she'll be comin' back forever
She pulls away and leaves him with a smile

You can't hide your lyin' eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide you lyin' eyes

She gets up and pours herself a strong one
And stares out at the stars up in the sky
Another night, it's gonna be a long one
She draws the shade and hangs her head to cry

She wonders how it ever got this crazy
She thinks about a boy she knew in school
Did she get tired or did she just get lazy?
She's so far gone she feels just like a fool

My, oh my, you sure know how to arrange things
You set it up so well, so carefully
Ain't it funny how your new life didn't change things
You're still the same old girl you used to be

You can't hide your lyin eyes
And your smile is a thin disguise
I thought by now you'd realize
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
There ain't no way to hide your lyin' eyes
Honey, you can't hide your lyin' eyes

john ceneviva said...

I use the family budget as an analogue. Please let me know if I'm incorrect in this, but the year before last, we borrowed money from the "bank". This was like a home improvement loan. We changed our minds and decided to pay the bank back with a penalty and fees.

And at the same time, as husband, I decide that my wife is spending too much money and she can live with less. She says she needs money but, without accusing her of lying, I give her less.

Now we're in a situation where we spend a little money on upkeep of the home and claim a big savings from last year.

Unless we're wrong about how much money my wife needs to spend on groceries or cleaning supplies or heating the home. Then the budget goes into the dumper and we've already locked our savings into a CD and when was ask the banker if we can have our money back, he says "no, come back next year". Now we have to choose between food, heat, pets, utilities and clothing.

This is no way to run a household. It's even worse when done by committee.

Ken said...

John C. - (I see your point, however...)

Bad analogy. In the home budget analogy you would have to voluntarily reduce your income as a means to tighten up your budget.

What's the opposite of a pay raise?

STS -

The good thing about a 501(c)(3) non-profit corporation is that is is a public corporation and MUST completely disclose all of its records on demand, or lose its status. At any time the public can demand to see the financial statements of the corp.

Jon said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMXGSP_nPyY

Jon said...

The track record of some school board members and their supporters ain't too good with 501(c)(3)'s, and that's part of what gives me pause about supporting a Morrisville School District 501(c)(3) while these folks are in power.

Please correct me if I'm wrong anyone, but QSRE is a 501(c)(3) organization, which I thought was prohibited by law from endorsing political candidates, lest it lose its tax-exempt status.

Yet I have QSRE-issued flyers that explicitly support certain candidates in the 2007 Morrisville school board election (i.e. the "Stop the School"TM candidates Bill Hellmann, Marlys Mihok, Al Radosti, Bill Farrell, Gloria Heater, and Robin Reithmeyer, although Robin's name has been subsequently crossed off the T-shirt of a former supporter seemingly because she has respect for the law and thinks for herself).

I will humbly apologize if I'm wrong on this, so I'm hoping a QSRE reader can clear this up and explain how the organization was able to endorse candidates for elected office and retain tax-exempt status. Otherwise, I hope QSRE paid its fair share of taxes.

Anonymous said...

I did the research. They are a 502 (c) 4. They actually haven't done anything illegal.

Jon said...

Do you mean 502c4 or 501c4? There's plenty of internet info on 501c4's but not 502c4's.

If so, I humbly apologize.

Peter said...

Hmmm, the IRS doesn't seem to have them listed at all.

Jon said...

As humble as it was, I must retract my apology until further confirmation surfaces. I'd like 4 forms of confirmation, provided in triplicate, with one of the triplicate copies in canary. Volunteers are standing by.....

Anonymous said...

chirp chirp...or is it cheep cheep

Jon said...

I thought the on-line comments to Marlys' article were interesting, and indicative of the level of discourse that occurs in Morrisville. And isn't "Jason" Jason Farrell, son of sitting board member Bill Farrell? Heroes and Villains....


(08/11/2008 )
Break the teachers union. They work part time during the school year with three months off in the summer. Who else do you know that gets paid so much for doing so little.

Baba - Untouchables!
(08/11/2008 )
The school systems need to realize that at some point we the taxpayers would have to revolt againts the ever rising taxes. The teachers need to contribute to health care and there shouldn't be automatic raises instead it is time to pay for performance.

Bob - union
(08/11/2008 )
"The school board did its fiduciary duty but has been relentlessly criticized by a vocal minority for not raising taxes." - probably the teachers union, wanting to make sure there's enough money for the teachers bloated salaries and benefits.

Ann - Not the Union
(08/11/2008 )
No Bob, the teachers union isn't the "vocal minority", it's citizens who have been critical of the methods used by the school board. I'll give you a few examples, which Mihok didn't mention in her article, because they don't make her or her compadres of the board members look too good:
1. The lion's share of the tax reduction is a "one shot deal" from the board "defeasing" (giving back to bondholders) $20+ million in bond money set aside for construction of a new, space-efficient K-12 campus. Defeasement reduced taxes this year only, but cost taxpayers about $2.5 million, a fact that was NOT shared with the public before the board voted on it;

2. The board is plowing ahead with replacing boilers based on a cursory $2,500 walk-through by an engineering company unilaterally hired by board president Bill Hellmann, whom Mihok staunchly supports. The board had to vote "after-the-fact" to authorize the work and pay the company because the work was already completed. The bidding for the boiler work did NOT follow procedures that would have resulted in reimbursement by the PA Dept. of Ed., so it will cost taxpayers additional money that could easily have been saved;

3. To date, I believe Mihok has kept the $250 stipend she receives as board secretary (something other board members almost always donate back to the district), yet she was unable to produce timely meeting minutes (one of her main responsibilities as secretary), resulting in the board hiring someone to take notes and write minutes;

4. Mihok was caught in a lie claiming that Superintendent Dr. Beth Yonson hadn’t notified the board about a deadline to pass a resolution capping the district’s budget increase to 4.4% when in fact she had informed the board – it was all caught on tape with reporters present. Those who are familiar with her know that that's just one instance in which she was CAUGHT lying;

It's simply assinine for Mihok to state that the criticism is for NOT raising taxes. Nobody wants their taxes to go up. But people do want school boards to make prudent decisions that balance both educational and financial concerns, not boards that make irresponsible decisions for short-term gain and long-term pain. We've got the latter in Morrisville right now.


Thor - where would all of you...
(08/12/2008 )
... pizzed-off posters be w/out your education? you didn't pay for it, it was paid for by taxing your elders, so the circle continues. you got yours, let the kids get theirs and shut up!!! only the ignorant and smallest of minds would deny the future of our country the best education money can buy.

Steve - Ok Thor, but how much is enough!!
(08/12/2008 )
My school taxes here in Morrisville have soared over $1200 in the last two years to about $5000 per year. No one is denying the children Thor but at $20,000 per student per year, we have among the lowest test scores in the state. I suggest you rent the video "stupid in America" by John Stocel to see how public education is failing our children. The Morrisville school District has long been disserviced by self servers and corruption. The students have come second. Thank God for Mihok and her team for fighting the war to change the system.

Jason - Well said, Marlys!
(08/12/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
Skyrocketing school taxes is not a situation that is unique to Morrisville. Unfortunately, if people dare try to exercise some responsibility over spending, they are branded as not caring about the children. It's amazing that my mom was able to graduate in a high school CLASS that had more children in it than the entire Morrisville school district. There was one principal at her school, and the education was much better.

- bristol eye
(08/12/2008 )
Bravo for the Morrisville School Board, perhaps we can hire them (the taxpayers of Bristol Borough) to represent us rather than Ralph’s flunkies, Anthony M., Pat S., Robyn T. (the fake), Leo P. (the out of town resident member), Mike H. (the silent one). And Betty R. We will keep J. Lutz.

- bristol eye
(08/12/2008 )
Lets see, this article is about school tax bills going up everywhere except Morrisville. Are you confused between the Bristol Borough Council and the Bristol Borough SCHOOL BOARD? Did you know that the School Board and the Borough Council are different? I am just wondering because it sounds like you are saying that the Bristol Council is raising taxes when in fact, it has been the School Taxes that have gone up almost 30 mils in the past couple of years because of the new school and the school taxes will keep going up. I dont think your actual borough taxes (not the school taxes) have gone up in 3 or 4 years. You can find all this info on Bucks County's website.

Bill - Thor
(08/12/2008 )
All sounds good except that the schools around here that have the highest paid teachers in the state are not performing at the highest levels of the state. So I counter your question with this, would you have any issue with paying for the best education in the state but getting an average at best education and in some cases schools that don't even hit the middle marks for proficiency in state testing? Do I mind paying for an education that is the the best in the state? Not at all. Do I have a problem paying for the best education in the state but my kids are getting a mediocre education in return. I think we would all answer this yes.

Thor - bill,
(08/12/2008 )
you know as well as i do that if we do the #'s by the masses we will almost always be mediocre. every school eventually produces a future policy maker in this country and these kids need all of the education we can give them. get involved in local gov. don't go after the teachers, that won't help.

Jason - Here is the link, Steve:
(08/13/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bx4pN-aiofw
It is scary to see what is going on with American education. Many people think that spending more money will solve the problem. Unfortunately, those people are kidding themselves.


Ann - That's Stossel, by the Way
(08/13/2008 )
Some people don't want to just throw money at something, but are also aware that sometimes budgets and expenditures can be cut in sloppy and deceptive ways that don't actually solve problems either, and end up costing more money down the road.

Jason - I almost forgot about the "savings"!
(08/14/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
That spreadsheet was hysterical. I would have let the spreadsheet creator keep going. A few more tries and he would have been able to pay off the national debt with the "savings" the spreadsheet showed!

Ann - That Was A Knee-Slapper!
(08/14/2008 )
I know the spreadsheet you are referring to. I didn't personally prepare it, but it did have an unintentional error in it, which I am willing to admit because I am not a finance expert, am not perfect, and am not above making or not noticing an unintentional math error.
However, the calculational error didn't affect the overall result that it was cheaper in the long-run to build new, something you don't point out because it doesn't fit with your views. It is a little funny (strange) that you will criticize something like that but yet unabashedly cheer members of the current school board majority, despite their documented lies, deceptions, and loose relationship with laws.

So I reiterate that some people don't want to just throw money at something, but are also aware that sometimes budgets and expenditures can be cut in sloppy and deceptive ways that don't actually solve problems either, and end up costing more money down the road.


Jason - "Unintentional" error?
(08/14/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
It was more like a "we don't know what the hell we are doing" error. If the person who prepared it had any common sense, a huge red flag should have been raised.
As far as something not fitting my views, perhaps you should have looked at all the deducts of the bids for construction along with the memo stating that there was an $8,000,000 shortfall that I still have in my possession. You can reiterate all you want. The fact is you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.


Ann - "Unintentional" error?
(08/14/2008 )
I don't claim to be all-knowing, but I'm not absolutely clueless. Why must you frequently resort to this statement when someone disagrees with you? This website is peppered with you making this claim about various people. It really shuts down civil debate, which is maybe your objective.
I know this - I'd rather be affiliated with posting a math error on a website than be a member and one-time officer of an organization that posted a "Hey, here's an amusing story about something that happened back in the day" story about a horrific school bombing that killed dozens in 1920's Michigan. Or did you and your affiliates have no clue about what they were doing? And where were you to stop them?


Jason - If the shoe fits...
(08/14/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
I am simply telling the truth that your aptitude for numbers is almost non-existent. When I pointed out the error of the spreadsheet AFTER the election to members of the board, I was told that the spreadsheet was correct. When I told the same members about how much the underwriter was compensated, I was told I was incorrect. When I outlined the potential penalties for the bond at a meeting attended by one of your friends on the board, I was ignored.
You ask where was I to stop someone posting a link on a website? I never even saw the link on the website since it was taken down the same day. I heard about the incident when I got home from work that night. Why don't you ask Ms. Reithmeyer yourself at the next meeting? Do you have anything else to say or are you tired of making yourself look stupid?


Ann - Wear it....
(08/14/2008 )
I must admit you are fantastic at this. I bow down to you in supplication. I never was on the school board, so I can't vouch for your actions, but I know you never asked me. Yet somehow I am tarred by this, but you as a member and officer of the organization that made the offensive website posting are able to totally absolve yourself? Wow, so that's how the "real world" works.

Jason - Yes, it is how the real world works...
(08/14/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
And, yes, I do totally absolve myself as I never saw the posting on the website. Any other questions?

Steve - Thanks Jason
(08/15/2008 )
Thanks for exposing the true intelligence and demeanor of the clueless liberal lefts. "Just keep on spending," who cares about accountability. Well done Jason!!!

Ann - Yes, Thanks
(08/15/2008 )
As Jason is wont to say, I never said "just keep on spending", or "who cares about accountability". What I did say was .... "Some people don't want to just throw money at something, but are also aware that sometimes budgets and expenditures can be cut in sloppy and deceptive ways that don't actually solve problems either, and end up costing more money down the road". Thanks for exposing the nature and demeanor of self-righteous, authoritarian personalities.

Jason - And thanks for proving...
(08/15/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
...that, once again, you don't know what you are talking about, Ann. Now go tell everyone how you were "bullied" and play the martyr.

Ann - You're Welcome
(08/15/2008 )
So in summary, you know everything, I know nothing. Whew, I'm glad that's settled. You win, Alpha-Dog. As usual, the dialogue ends non-productively with you.

Jason - Since you are apparently leaving...
(08/15/2008 , Ratings: ••••• )
...just remember that Jesus loves you, but everybody else thinks you're an *****

Peter said...

Listen Skippy, the spreadsheet was mine. The "error" was that I had started the payback in the wrong year. It was a model. Nothing more, nothing less. It was never meant to be exact to the penny nor was it supposed to satisfy your uber-intelligence. I could have called them "year 1, year 2, year 3, etc" and there would have been nothing wrong with the model.

The fact that you seem to be leaving out is the fact that the new building still would be cheaper, especially given the fact that fuel prices are twice now what they were when the model was created.

In the end, model or no model, the people voted. I lost. The town "won" with the friggin Emporer, Angry Al, and Ducky. Honestly, Skippy, your father has turned out to be a decent board member. I wish he wouldn't vote with them most of the time, but he at least seems to care, and Robin has turned out to be the real suprise hero.

Peter said...

Steve said: "Thanks for exposing the true intelligence and demeanor of the clueless liberal lefts."

I'll quote Ed Rendell when he was campaigning for Hillary and talking about Bill, another "liberal leftist":

"What part of the 1990s didn't you like — the peace or the prosperity?"

Jon said...

Peter,

I'll second everything you said. The only thing I differ with you slightly on is that I'm not so high on Mr. Farrell's board tenure so far. There are 3 board members I'd definitely rank below him, and 2 I'd rank far above him. He's in the middle 4, who seem to have some level of caring mixed in with a dash of misguidedness. His somewhat caring words usually ring hollow when it comes time to vote, though. He doesn't seem to prepare much for board meetings, he doesn't seem all that troubled by the Hellmann excesses and misdeeds, and he seems too content to let Hellmann do most of his thinking for him. I thought his statements at the last board meeting when he voted to proceed with off-spec bidding for boiler services were pretty lame, especially for someone who claims to know boilers and construction. And he seems to be afflicted with a tough-guy, I'll-never-admit-I'm wrong chip on his shoulder that he surely helped pass down to his son, bless his heart. I'll give him some kudos if he really starts breaking away from the Hellmann-Mihok-Radosti bloc, but I'm not very impressed so far.

I know there’s a "school" of thought that says not to make statements like this, so he can't claim them as a reason for not voting a certain way. But he himself has said let's put all the cards on the table. So there they are. I hope he has the courage to go against the Hellmann-Mihok-Radosti bloc in the future. If he loses some "friends" over it, what kind of friends were they in the first place?